well it looks like i find myself in the middle of the jw battlefield once again fighting the borg for nothing less then the soul of my younger son.
many months ago i had forbidden my full-blown dub wife from bringing my young boy to cult programming, i mean meetings anymore.
at issue was the shunning and blood issue.
Lots of good advice here, Freeman. I would add to what Lisa has said: the JW meetings are boring for most kids, unless they have friends there that they talk to, make eyes at, etc. The boring nature of the meetings in and of itself may make a lasting negative impression on your son.
Lisas idea of finding him something fun and wholesome to do will contrast positively with the witness activities.
Best wishes,
Sam
fourskin started a battle of the sexes with his "where are the feminine women" thread.
i am wondering about men.
he has a muscle car, however, he has no muscle definition.
Puff said: "Why don't we judge men as harshly as we judge women? Why can a butt-ugly man get any job, any where? The world over. Men are not judged on their looks. They should be."
Puff, as a business man I have hired hundreds of people over the years. I certainly avoided the "butt-ugly" men when ever possible. However, what concerned me far more than appearance was attitude. A male with a "Im gods gift to your operation" attitude would be trouble from day one. I found that more men than women had such attitudes. I called them "jerks." Jerks, were "butt-ugly" IMHO.
Women could also be troublesome. You know, those often described with the "B" word. Either way, male or female, troublesome workers and "bad attitudes" were usually synonymous.
Pleasant attitudes, whether possessed by a male or female, bring such a wonderful atmosphere to the work place that I was always so grateful for and pleased to work with them.
Over the years, in my experience, more women were pleasant to work with then were men, though there certainly were some of both. I continue to be friends with some of both persuasions years after working with them.
BTW, I seldom knew what kind of auto they drove. The engine that interested me was the one inside their head. A "what is best for the customer attitude" was what I wanted, irrespective of the packaging. I must admit, though, that if the packaging was "nice," all the better, but packaging was certainly last on the list of requirements.
draffenville congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
judicial committee elders of:.
murray congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
Carmel said: "Some how, me thinks you may protest too much.. Am I wrong?"
Yes, you are wrong. Bill is giving the GB one more chance to repent for their wicked ways, turn around and cleanup the vile mess within the JW community.
Bill is setting the fine example that many JWs expect from their Brooklyn leaders. Will the GB wakeup, repent, and turn around? Unlikely, but lets see what happens.
i really need your feedback .
i am really down on the dumps regarding being shunned and torn apart about da (i haven't yet).
a week ago i wrote to dr. phil on oprah and wrote briefly about jw practices on shunning.
Dr Phil's new show is likely to be a hit. Here is his site about his new show:
Any JW, or former JW who can talk about the problems of this religion, will be privilaged indeed.
Good luck, if you decide to appear on nthe show.
i have decided to include you all in every step of my shock pregnancy!
after boasting about not having sickness this time and being so relieved, i woke up this morning and have felt terrible aaaaaaallllllll day.
i need some sympathy here.
I dont know how you ladies do it: handle all of the childrens activities and needs, take care of a household and at the same time, be a human with the usual needs. And then to be sick on top of it all! Whew!!!
You certainly have my sympathy and admiration.
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paducah sun 1-28-01. mario moreno, associate general counsel at the church's new york headquarters,.. j.r. brown, public affairs director for the church,.
both brown and moreno said that the elders, who volunteer and are essentially untrained clergy.
You forget, JT, that those elders have what amounts to a college education by virtue of having read all those Awake! Magazines for the past twenty years
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does the society cast doctors in a bad light?.
i'm asking this as i feel that jehovahs witnesses often blame doctors or feel they are not doing their job properly if they wont operate without blood.i feel these negative attitudes toward doctors came from the society, but i'm not sure if it was through publications, rather through talks on assemblies and by circut overseers.. there seems to be an attitude that if a doctor cant operate without blood , he cant be a very good doctor.. what really annoyed me though is that children were taught that having a blood transfusion was like being raped.this is a disgusting attitude to show and teach, and i was vocal about this.. the doctor is there to save lives, to teach that he is like a rapist if he thinks giving blood is the best way to do so , makes me very angery.. are any of these things in print , or was the society clever enough to only teach these things by word of mouth?
Yes, it is my impression that the WTS has "bad-mouthed" physicians, especially those in the medical profession for years. Others have posted about their condemnation of vaccinations, liquid organ transplantation (transfusions), solid organ transplantation, "unnecessary surgeries" and many other procedures. They have likened the medical profession to "big business," and accused many in the healing professions as in it for only the money.
In more recent years they have attempted to moderate their printed positions and have run series on different approaches to healing, including homeopathy, chiropractic, osteopathy and traditional medicine.
Deep down, in my opinion, they despise the medical profession (even though in recent years it has emerged as the clearly dominant approach to the care and healing of mans ills).
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the associated press reports that bill bowen, former elder and anti- sexual abuse activist, has been disfellowshipped by the watchtower society for criticizing the handling of child sexual abuse cases.. read it on-line: http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/.
rado vleugel
According the one of the published articles the committee informed Bill through his attorney. If true, wont this be the first time that they have actually observed Bills request that all communication go through the attorney? They finally get procedure right at the 13 th hour?
Bastards; as a "brother" they showed him no respect. Now, as a "worldly man" they work through his lawyer.
If there is a God in heaven, may he call down evil on all the WT agents responsible for the many injustices they have rendered to thousands, perhaps millions this action against Bill being the latest in a series of dastardly evil acts; and may he rescue the innocent ones who remain imprisoned within the walls of the Wt.
Edited by - Sam Beli on 26 July 2002 9:56:33
real reason why elders wont report .
what has been said up to now about the jw elders taking direction from the governing body to not be the worlds police and also protecting the image of the organization is all true, but only part of the root cause of the problem ... until the root cause is cured, child molesters and other criminals among jehovah's witnesses will go unreported ... and this will lead to their demise as an organization.
the root cause of the problem is this: jws, and no less the elders, believe that they are:.
Amazing,
They have no problem putting a teenager, guilty of sexual indiscretion, out on the street (in Satans world). So, you are saying that they have more compassion for a pedophile (usually/often a middle aged male criminal) who has much more experience in life (and therefore is more accountable) than they have for a tender aged teen who has almost no experience with lifes issues?!
for years now, the wts leadership has been closing its collective.
eyes to the internal moral decay of the organization.
governing body all the way down to local elders, more and more.
Met, good observations as usual.
However, I may be out of step here, but I am not sure that SUNK is the correct word here to describe where the Borg is headed. By that I mean that Im not sure but what they have always been there down in the mire.
I recall as a kid 60 years ago hanging my head, ashamed to be associated with the JWs. My parents could not see it, but many of the JWs in our congregation were "goofy," silly, dirty, bullies or just plain liars. I hated telling my school buddies that I was a JW; they saw the "goofy" JWs that were doing street work.
A former long-time Bethel family member and director of the society who had married a lady in our congregation (back when marriage equaled leaving Bethel), was caught lying right from the platform. He tried to paraphrase a letter from Brooklyn and when another brother insisted on having the letter read, the truth came out. He had lied!
I was unaware of child molestation if it was present in those days, but sleaze and lying was wide spread. We know that Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and F. Franz had plenty that today needs to be hidden.
They have always been corrupt. The public is the one now becoming aware of it. Eventually, some of the R & F will catch on too.
